Question: I came late to shul during
the week and went to the ezras nashim to daven as no ladies come
then. Was I included in the minyan?
Answer: The Shulchan Aruch (OC 55:13) writes
that the ten men who make up the minyan need to all be present in the
same room as the chazzan. The Mishna Berura (55:48) adds that it does
not matter if they cannot all see each other providing that they are in the same
room. The Shulchan Aruch (OC 55:14) writes that one who is outside a shul
can join in through an open window.
Elsewhere, the Shulchan Aruch (OC 195:1) writes that a group
of people who are split between two separate rooms can join together to recite
the zimun if some of them can see each other through an open window.
Nonetheless, the Mishna Berura (55:52; Shaar Hatziyun 55:53) questions whether davening
in a minyan can be compared to zimun. He writes that while one
can join a minyan from another room, it is best to go into the shul
to daven.
The Aruch Hashulchan (OC 55:20) writes that as the ezras
nashim is separated by a proper mechitza, any men davening there
cannot join in as they are considered to be in a separate room, regardless as
to whether they can see each other or not.
Thus, R’ Shmuel Wosner (Shevet Halevi 9:20:1) writes that
while men learning there may respond amen, etc. as ladies would, they
cannot be considered part of the minyan while there (See Halichos
Shlomo, Tefilla 5:n18).
In conclusion, it is not ideal for men to daven in
the ezras nashim as according to some poskim one would not be
able to be part of the minyan while there.
So is the 11th man who sees them from another room part of the minyan?
ReplyDeletePossibly, though it would be a 'lower level' if he wasn't in the actual Shul - See Halichos Shlomo, Tefilla 5:n18
DeleteWhat if there is a conference room and the doors are open to a hallway where people can daven? The conference room is not large enough to host everyone. Can people daven in the hall as well?
ReplyDeleteYes, providing that some of them can see each other. There should be at least a minyan in the main conference room, though.
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